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    I forgot about reading Romeo and Juliet in 9th grade. We were all assigned parts and we read it aloud in class.

    There is a British series of animated Shakespeare plays called "Shakespeare: The Animated Tales". You can find them on Youtube.

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    I cant think of other elevated playwrights that write to something kids can understand, perhaps its an introduction to the genre?
    You mean the genre of plays or Shakespearean style plays? If you mean just plays, musicals are usually the best introduction for children to plays and theater. There are some that are written specifically for children and tons that children can enjoy that aren't specifically written for children. Comedies are another great introduction to theater for children.

    I like "Little Shop of Horrors" as a great introduction to theater for middle school boys. Most of them love the human eating plant enough to pay attention to the rest of the story and songs.
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    It seems that most people have had negative experiences with Shakespeare, and I think that is a real shame. He has such an extensive body of work, and so many of the literary and theatrical devices that you see today can be traced back to him. If it's done right (Kenneth Branaugh), it's passionate and just plain hot. The language is also gorgeous, the imagery and the way it sounds when you say it aloud.

    But I blame the schools and colleges (if you're an English major like I was) for teaching bonehead Shakespeare. It's not meant to be read like a novel and they shouldn't analyze the heck out of the symbolism, imagery, themes and poetic techniques. Imagine if the groundlings were forced to do that--they'd be throwing rotten tomatoes.
    Homeschooling an only, DS9

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    When I was a senior in high school my English class was Shakespearean English. We studies his plays the entire year. I really enjoyed the class - it was lively and fun, discovery and discussion based, with almost zero lecture - unusual for a class back then. I liked the lack of description in the plays - I had a vivid imagination as a kid and I loved dreaming up the sets, costumes, make-up, positions of the actors in relation to one another, and on and on in my head. I think that is why I still love a well done TV show / movie over a marginal book any day - telling the story without words through set, lighting, camera angles, music - fascinating stuff. I think that most US kids have experience with one or two plays by the time they graduate and maybe some of his better known sonnets.
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    I never had a negative experience with Shakespeare, it just never caught my interest in my encounters with it. I liked them well enough but I did not go away with an interest to find out more and explore it. I was more into art and science. Which is not to say that liking or not liking Shakespeare is a bad thing, just that everyone is different. I just wanted to know if it is an expected thing, as it was something I had never considered teaching. So its good to know that I should keep it on my radar for the future. I still think it would be best for my daughter to learn about it from someone who has a keen passion for it.
    New Zealand-based. DD 10 (year 5 [NZ system]) homeschooled, and DD 5 (year 0 [NZ system]) who is currently trying out public school.

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    Same here. My experience wasn't negative nor do I hate Shakespeare, it just isn't my cup of tea. I still teach it and read it to my children with the same enthusiasm as I would teach anything else, I think it is absolutely worth exposing all children to Shakespeare, I just don't love it personally.

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    MapleHill & NZ_Mama, I'm glad you guys didn't get that negative experience.

    In the classes I attended, the only reason Shakespeare seemed to be studied was so that we could do well on exams or write papers analyzing theme and symbolism. It was a tough slog, and a lot of my classmates seriously groaned when they heard the name Shakespeare. Quite a difference from what it can be, full of action and fun, as in theatre. I wonder if Shakespeare would have been better received taught as a theatre class instead of an English one.
    Homeschooling an only, DS9

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    Argh, mum picked DD5 up from school for the first time this year. She has been crowing since then about how "she is so part of school" based on her observations that she was chatting to some other kids and saying bye to people at the end of the day. The only time I need her to pick DD up is when I have my riding lesson when DH is not available. In future, I am thinking I will just cancel my riding lesson any time DH is not available from now on because I don't want to add more fuel to her "isn't school amazing and just the right place for DD to be" fire.

    Oh and apparently "DD10 is very bright so she will be ok no matter what she does" (as in she will be ok and survive even if I do the terrible, horrible thing of homeschooling her). Because you know I am such a bad teacher. We just had parent/teacher interviews at school and DD5 is at least at an 8 year old level for her reading. Probably higher because I know what their testing is like: they test max. about 2 years above and then say "they are at this level" even if they get 100% on it and should obviously be retested at a higher level. So I totally failed at teaching her to read, not. But you know, school, is a way more amazing place for her to be. I mean they won't let her do the math she wants to do because apparently she does not know all her finger patterns and needs to practice counting backwards. Um she was probably bored out of her mind. The teacher totally did not get it when I said she was visual spatial and understood bigger things as a whole and was capable of doing them before she got all the little steps.

    I would love to homeschool her again because I really miss her. However, I am worried about her missing the everyday playing and getting yelled at by DD10 all the time. At least they don't end up in those situations on weekdays now where DD10 blows up at DD5. But they also don't play together now either. Pretty much we all get home from school pick up and go our own ways because we are all exhausted. Does anyone have (or had) kids that really do not get on. How do you do it so that the angry one does not affect the happiness of the others?

    Anyway, apologies for the constant complaining I don't have anywhere else to do it. My people to talk to here are DH (currently too busy and worried about other things), my mother (you know why that's a no), friend A who homeschools (very busy and lives far away), and friend B who has a kid in public school who is having issues (very busy dealing with that).
    New Zealand-based. DD 10 (year 5 [NZ system]) homeschooled, and DD 5 (year 0 [NZ system]) who is currently trying out public school.

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    NZ, always feel free to vent here. I'm so sorry your mom gives you such a hard time. It sounds like no matter what you do, you can't convince her that homeschooling is successful for your family. I was lucky that my own immediate family was pretty hands off, or at least didn't say anything (but still thought we were weird). My in-laws, though...... Let's just say my kids were already accepted into college, with scholarships, and my SIL, a professor, was still grilling them on if they'd be prepared, and how will they even get in.

    Just keep doing what you believe is right for YOUR family. Your mom had the chance to raise hers; she doesn't get a choice on what YOU do.
    Carol

    Homeschooled two kids for 11 years, now trying to pay it forward

    Daughter (22), a University of Iowa senior triple majoring in English with Creative Writing, Journalism, and Gender, Women & Sexuality Studies

    Son (21), a Purdue University junior majoring in Computer Science, minoring in math, geology, anthropology, and history

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    NZ_Mama - Could you afterschool your younger daughter so that she still gets the challenge and new learning that she is missing at school? Tell her to just play along and do what she is told at school and have fun with her friends but then supplement after school or on the weekends with more challenging math and reading. She may get to the point on her own where she decides that spending all day with her friends isn't much fun when you are bored out of your mind all day.

    As for the sibling issues, my daughters have the same age gap as your dds. I wish they didn't have such a big gap but it's just how things worked out. When older dd was around 10 - 12 and younger dd was 5 - 6, it was the worst for their rivalry issues. Older dd felt too old to play kid games anymore but younger dd was just getting to the point where she could really play and not just follow along with older dd and she adored her big sister and wanted her to play with her. We had to have many many talks with older dd about not mistreating her sister even when she is annoying and with younger dd about respecting older dd's growing need for privacy and not annoying her when she doesn't want to play. I also really tried to drive home with all my kids that friends may come and go in their lives but they will always have their siblings so they need to really work on their relationships with their siblings. I'm not going to say they were perfect, there were still days where they were at each other's throats and some of them get along with each other better than others but for the most part they have great relationships with each other now (They are 20, 18, 17, 12, 10 and 6 now. The 17 and 12yo are my daughters.). That's just my two cents and how I handled it, fwiw.

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