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    im not too familiar with heritage girls. To each their own on the opinions. But these organizations need to stay out of the political arena for these reasons.
    I just wanted to add that this kinda started when the The head girl scout lady (cant remember her name) was supposedly giving an award to a politician running for office here in Texas, Wendy something or other ( i am seriously horrible with names). It raised a few eyebrows and i think thats how some of it may have started. I heard about it and kinda blew it off. I dont know the whole story. If anyone would like to investigate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crunchynerd View Post
    I'm no fan of GS, but it's because in my experience and that of my friends, they don't actually get to do anything genuinely remotely like wilderness skills.

    I have heard there are women who run troops that are indeed teaching valuable leadership and wilderness skills, and self-reliance, and that sounds great. I have just never seen such, up close.

    So if I perceive any evils with it, it's that we all learned early on that all the songs and talk, were just talk. But I do have some good books on tying various useful knots, and I do want all my kids to learn some basic self-sufficiency and wilderness survival skills. We can do that ourselves, and skip the wearing of padded cushions tied around our waists (called situpons...do they still do that?) to avoid mussing our dresses on the dirty ground. I can't get my mind around anything that purports to respect women, requiring girls to wear tuffets around their waists to keep them from touching the ground when they sit.

    Sincerely hoping that that is no longer done.
    Leadership skills and wilderness/survival skills are the two main reasons that I wanted JC to try out scouts, and also the reasons why we moved out of her original troop. I'm not the best at those things, but what I can't do my father or the father of JC's best friend can cover, having both been Eagle Scouts back in the day. It's important to me that they know how to survive without electricity, build a fire, avoid poisonous plants, do first aid, and things along those lines. JC loves many of the other aspects, but those are the things most important to me.

    As for the sit-upons, I have seen pictures of that. We made something called a sit-upon at camp once, but there was no tying and wearing. It was just a bit of vinyl with a ribbon so you could roll it up and stick it in your pack in case you need it. JC found it worked well for giving her a relatively clean surface for her meals in the dining hall.

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    ...I think that AHG was created by them, NOT because of the planned parenthood and all that crap, but because the point of girls scouts is to empower girls/women and that goes against everything fundies believe in.
    You know, I hadn't thought of that, but it does make absolute sense now that you mention it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crunchynerd View Post
    I'm no fan of GS, but it's because in my experience and that of my friends, they don't actually get to do anything genuinely remotely like wilderness skills.

    I have heard there are women who run troops that are indeed teaching valuable leadership and wilderness skills, and self-reliance, and that sounds great. I have just never seen such, up close.

    So if I perceive any evils with it, it's that we all learned early on that all the songs and talk, were just talk. But I do have some good books on tying various useful knots, and I do want all my kids to learn some basic self-sufficiency and wilderness survival skills. We can do that ourselves, and skip the wearing of padded cushions tied around our waists (called situpons...do they still do that?) to avoid mussing our dresses on the dirty ground. I can't get my mind around anything that purports to respect women, requiring girls to wear tuffets around their waists to keep them from touching the ground when they sit.

    Sincerely hoping that that is no longer done.

    While my actual girl scouts troop that I belong to as a kid was like Troop Beverly Hills, I also went to summer camp where I earned a bunch of my wilderness badges like backpacking, hiking, and the like. I never saw the situpons or anything like it. When camping, we wore GS t-shirts and shorts/jeans.

    I have not heard of the American Heritage Girls and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a troop here, but I don't have girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deli76 View Post
    im not too familiar with heritage girls. To each their own on the opinions. But these organizations need to stay out of the political arena for these reasons.
    I just wanted to add that this kinda started when the The head girl scout lady (cant remember her name) was supposedly giving an award to a politician running for office here in Texas, Wendy something or other ( i am seriously horrible with names). It raised a few eyebrows and i think thats how some of it may have started. I heard about it and kinda blew it off. I dont know the whole story. If anyone would like to investigate.
    I think you are thinking of Wendy Davis who was running for governor of Texas at the time. They also gave ones to other women politicians. FLOTUS Obama and Hillary Clinton also received awards which just fueled the commentary.
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    Good grief. Never heard of them, but I have boys. We never even considered boy scouts since you have to believe in god and not allowing gays. My boys are in 4H and Trackers - a great outdoor program, not a club, but worth every penny. I was a girl scout and the thing I remember most is building fires in the leader's driveway!! And of course the cookies. Oh yeah, and this one song I learned at camp where the final verse is "Never trust a man"... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by crunchynerd View Post
    We can do that ourselves, and skip the wearing of padded cushions tied around our waists (called situpons...do they still do that?) to avoid mussing our dresses on the dirty ground. I can't get my mind around anything that purports to respect women, requiring girls to wear tuffets around their waists to keep them from touching the ground when they sit.

    Sincerely hoping that that is no longer done.
    Holy cow! I was a GS and made situpons - which were just a bench-warmer like you'd take to a football game (packing peanuts inside a pillow cover). I had NO IDEA anyone ever tied them around their waist or used them to keep their skirt clean. I did think it was silly to call a pillow a situpon - why not just call it a pillow? Anyhow, we make them, and sat on them, and also used them for sleeping to avoid bringing a full-sized bed pillow.

    My gripe with GS is that - gasp - it's not actually the girls version of boy scouts. Girl Scouts mission is NOT to teach wilderness or survival skills. it's to empower girls and teach leadership. I discovered in jr. high that the wilderness stuff starts to fade out and is replaced by "leadership skills", which the girls in my troop were not interested in at all - we just wanted to go camping!

    We were lucky to have awesome leaders who made that happen, but it meant that we did very little above the troop level. None of the council or national activities were of interest to us - they were things like Model UN, women's business skills, etc.

    I will consider GS for my daughter, as well as FFA and 4-H - it all depends on the individual groups/leaders. I've never heard of AHG and would not allow her to join. Maybe by the time she's ready there will be a wilderness option for girls? (ha! not in this neck of the woods)
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    I don't know if AHG is big around these parts or not. While I've heard of it, I never looked into it.

    The whole mission of GSA right now is a hot button for me. They say they have changed the program to reflect the interests of modern girls (i.e. away from outdoor skills, toward more......"fluffy?" activities) but I fail to see why they can't offer both. Our troop is VERY much about building leadership skills in our girls, building their confidence as they try and master new things, and of course, outdoor and survival skills. We can do both - outdoor activities AND silly crafty stuff, so why can't the National Organization let the troops decide what direction they want to go, and offer both the modern and more traditional badges?? SMH
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    I'm in Texas. American heritage girls are so big around here that some of our local museum hosted scout events are no longer Girl Scout events but generic 'scout' events for girls in order to accommodate the American heritage girls.

    I don't know much about the group and I haven't seen any recruiting for it. We are in the suburbs of a major city, and our suburb is pretty inclusive but I know some of the other suburbs are very conservative, and that's where those groups are. I know of families who pulled their girls out of Girl Scouts and put them in the other group, so I figured it was quite conservative, but I don't have anyone in our circle of friends who is part of that group.

    My daughter is a Girl Scout. I'm not super pleased with the program, not for mission statement reasons but her troop spends a lot of time just sitting around working through the badge worksheets instead of doing activities. But that could be just our troop.
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    I've never heard of American Heritage Girls. The big group around here is Girl Guides of Canada. I'm not even sure if we have "girl scouts" here, either. There's another organization that is becoming more and more popular around here called Junior Forest Wardens. They have really great outdoorsy programs meant for the whole family, not just the boys or the girls.

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    I was a girl scout and really liked the badge program, I looked at it recently and I am not impressed with how it is done now. I actually got out and did things. Yeah, we did the sewing and "girly" badges, but we also did swimming, roller/ice skating and other activities.
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