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    Quote Originally Posted by MapleHillAcademy View Post
    My high schoolers and young adult children are learning or recently learned the exact same basic information in public school science classes that I did over 20 years ago. Very little in the basics of science has changed and the basics is all college professors want and expect most incoming freshman to know. The number of college science professors I've heard bemoan the fact that more and more incoming freshman know about bleeding edge and experimental science but are woefully lacking in basic concepts and scientific computation makes me confident in the fact that using an older text and teaching the basic concepts and computations in high school is more than enough.
    Thinking about the science lab courses my own two kids have taken in college, I think I'd have to agree. Speaking to my son, who is in the School of Science at Purdue, he says all first year science courses (biology, chem, physics, and geology are the ones he's taken) don't cover the really recent changes. The profs want the kids to have a solid basis in the topic before they more on. Now, some professors throw in details of their current research, but it's because they're proud of it and want to share. The kids are not tested on the material.

    As college students progress in those particular majors, of course they'll learn more recent material.

    If a high school homeschooled students pursues AP topics, of course they'll have to learn what is on the AP syllabus. But that's true for only a fraction of students. And for those wondering if high school students NEED AP courses to get into college, the answer is no. My daughter had none. My son had one for computer science, but only because we felt he needed outside verification of the skills he had already taught himself. Both go to Big Ten universities with some nice scholarship money.
    Carol

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    Quote Originally Posted by inmom View Post
    I think you'll be find with your selection, especially as you are using it to "check off the biology" box for high school. Biology was not a favorite for either of my kids as well. I made sure they learned about cell structure and function, BASIC genetics, plant and animal classification, and evolution, which I'm pretty sure a 2010 text would include. (I think you'll find even more material than that I just listed, but as I stated in another thread about high school science texts, there is almost always more info in the text that can be covered in a typical school year.)

    ETA: I found the table of contents for that particular text online. You'll be fine!
    Thank you!

    I checked the text and the taxonomy is modern and there is a lot of biochem and genetics in it. Honestly, I have to customize a lot of what I do anyway, and genetics and chem will be my son's favorite parts. Once I decide what to exclude given the usual scope of what states usually include -- chem and genetics will be the things I will do my best to expand on so I can maintain my son's interest.

    Thank you so much for all your help!

    Also, thank you Maple Hill Academy and Farrar. I think I have a much better of idea of where I am heading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inmom View Post
    Thinking about the science lab courses my own two kids have taken in college, I think I'd have to agree. Speaking to my son, who is in the School of Science at Purdue, he says all first year science courses (biology, chem, physics, and geology are the ones he's taken) don't cover the really recent changes. The profs want the kids to have a solid basis in the topic before they more on. Now, some professors throw in details of their current research, but it's because they're proud of it and want to share. The kids are not tested on the material.

    As college students progress in those particular majors, of course they'll learn more recent material.

    If a high school homeschooled students pursues AP topics, of course they'll have to learn what is on the AP syllabus. But that's true for only a fraction of students. And for those wondering if high school students NEED AP courses to get into college, the answer is no. My daughter had none. My son had one for computer science, but only because we felt he needed outside verification of the skills he had already taught himself. Both go to Big Ten universities with some nice scholarship money.
    I doubt my son is going to want to do AP bio. Physics would probably best for him b/c he currently wants to do math as his major. That said, I bet if he does any of the sciences as an AP class that he will do chem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MapleHillAcademy View Post
    Which is why I answer the question in the context of basic facts and high school science in general as she asked about in her original post. She didn't originally ask about a specific field of science, just high school science in general.

    My high schoolers and young adult children are learning or recently learned the exact same basic information in public school science classes that I did over 20 years ago. Very little in the basics of science has changed and the basics is all college professors want and expect most incoming freshman to know. The number of college science professors I've heard bemoan the fact that more and more incoming freshman know about bleeding edge and experimental science but are woefully lacking in basic concepts and scientific computation makes me confident in the fact that using an older text and teaching the basic concepts and computations in high school is more than enough.
    This makes sense to me b/c when I was in college it was the same way. Intro classes never had cutting edge material. I know things have changed a lot since I went, but it makes sense that this would still be true. Obviously, I don't want to teach my son anything that is actually incorrect, but I have been explaining every year that the simplified version of science (and social studies)for kids, is often flawed and I add some extra detail when appropriate b/c he is very rigid and I don't want his brain closed to revised, more accurate versions as we go. At this point in his academic career, he gets it, so I think it actually amuses him to know secret, more grown-up material.

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