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    Ok, strange question here. I'm always nervous about my 7 yo's reading - mostly because he is so far behind his older siblings, both of whom were reading chapter books by the end of first grade.

    Yesterday he read Fox in Socks to me - well, most of it. I read some of the harder sections, like Luke Luck Likes Lakes and through these three trees freezy breeze . . .whatever. Occasionally he corrected himself and sometimes I pointed at the lines or even the words to help him stay focused, but mostly he did it.

    Is this age-appropriate? Is this a little behind? Any guesses?
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    Does he have any vision issues Cara? Often when children are behind in reading it may be because they can not see what they are reading very well.
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    Judging by my dd's classmates, it sounds like he's right about in the middle. My dd has always been ahead in reading, like your older kids, and had read the first four Harry Potter books by the end of first grade. She's now in 2nd, and they're just starting to expect them to be able to read *very* simple chapter books. She got a summer reading list that included stuff like Cam Jansen. They listed Amber Brown books as "advanced reading." This is for rising 3rd graders.

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    Thanks Eileen.

    Mommy, Raven did have eye surgery for wall-eyes when he was 3, but his vision tests have all been fine. He seems to have troubled HEARING the different letters sometimes - when I ask him to try to spell out a word, he often guesses wrong consonants because he hears it wrong. I had some trouble too - i remember I had trouble saying "Cara" and my dad kept going over it with me, and i really couldnt hear the difference - I was probably saying 'Cawa'. I also know I wasnt in the advanced reading section until the second half of second grade. But his father, legally blind, was reading at the age of 3. So i'm still kinda worried.

    OTOH, so many homeschoolers always say 'dont worry, he'll read when he's ready.' OTOH . . . he was briefly in the county program for delayed speech - during which time his hearing was tested to be fine.

    Hard to be a home schooling mom and not worry, I suppose.
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    The DORA reading evaluation might be useful tool for you.
    http://www.letsgolearn.com/lglsite/parents/homeschool/

    I have used this with my youngest for the opposite reason...I couldn't keep up with her reading level. But, it gives a complete breakdown of all reading skills and what needs to be worked on.
    My daughter with dyslexia had a lot of problem with phonemic awareness (not being able to hear the different sounds of the words). Scottish Rite recommended Sounds Abound.

    My son with vision issues had no issue learning to read. He doesn't like to read (still, at 22) but he has no problem with it. He has had 7 eye surgeries....3 before school age.
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    Has he ever been tested for functional vision problems, like tracking? Batman has tracking and convergence issues, which I'm currently giving him therapy for. He learned all his phonics and sight words, but when it came to reading text, he'd tire very quickly. I had no idea initially why he was such a reluctant reader. Another problem might be visual memory. Some kids just have a hard time recognizing words, even when they've read them over and over. Some kids have a hard time with visual memory generally, and with some, it's just symbol imagery like letters. The book Seeing Stars, by Nanci Bell, is supposed to help with this issue.

    Or he could just be moving along at his own pace!
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    He is actually pretty good with sight words - he's clearly memorized a lot of words. Pushing him to sound them out is more of a challenge. I have wondered about the tracking, but its not a good time to check it out yet . . .

    I will check out those links, thanks Terri
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    That's about where one of my two is, Cara. For the rush to testing that the public schools have to do, I would say that's slightly (though not profoundly) behind. But for an average 7 year old not being drilled with sight words - especially if you're trying to push some phonics? I think it's not behind. If that makes any sense.

    I was also concerned with tracking issues for my slower reader. One way to check it is to see if reading the same words on an uncluttered page with a larger font (and an easy to read one, of course... not comic sans, mind you... ... or that might just be my own crazy) helps him read more easily. Also, see if guiding him with a paper strip *above* the line he's reading helps. It's something about how the eyes move apparently that makes it such that having it below is less useful (the tendency is such that kids with tracking issues want to look up, not down). Those things help Mushroom. I never ended up getting him formally evaluated (a strip of paper sure is cheaper than vision therapy) but I also think the issues are relatively small. If they persist, I'll reevaluate.
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    In Texas, they won't evaluate for dyslexia in the schools until they are 8. Libby was finished with therapy when she was 8 1/2 (evaluated at 6 1/2). I think they aren't aggressive enough. I did not teach my other two to read, but after having three kids in the same house, exposed to the same things, there was definitely a difference in her ability. She WANTED to read. She carried books around with her all the time. We would try to read BOB books and have to sound out the same word on every page. Sight words did NOT stick in her head...at all.
    Since Scottish Rite is a research center for dyslexia, they get MRI's on the kids in the program as part of the research. It is amazing to see the brain differences between dyslexic readers and typical readers. In fact, there was an identical twin in the program and they did an MRI on the twin (for research purposes) and discovered by the MRI results that he was dyslexic also. Then they did the functional evaluations.
    I am all for trying to nail down issues when they are young.
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    He actually reads fairly quickly for words he's memorized - which is really extensive. I'm often suprised at some of the bigger words he knows. We watched A Town called Panic maybe 3 mo ago and he could read all the subtitles himself. He doesnt seem at all concerned with his reading - and he's really stubborn. 2 years ago we tried the BOB books. He read 1 and half of the second one, and then just flat-out refused to every try again. He says he hates reading, but if he gets absorbed in to a story - if its funny or exciting - his fluency seems to improve and he will read more than he's supposed to (you know, we do the 'every other page' thing and if he's in to it, he doesnt stop at the end of the page)

    I feel like his biggest problem is his lisp or whatever causes him not to be able to hear consonants, and not having the patience to sound out big words. I'll try the paper over the line (pointing to the beginning of the line helps a lot, since he often skips a line if they are close together).

    I see that the evaluation Teri posted is only $20, so if I can get Raven to actually TAKE the test (have I mentioned he's stubborn?) I'm sure I could get dh to approve it.

    thanks again guys. I guess when I think about it, his reading is continuing to improve, so I shouldnt be TOO worried . . . but i really appreciate the ideas and feedback and such!
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