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    I know the vaccination issue can be highly charged. I am not trying to start any sort of debate, just sharing a resource should anyone be interested.

    I got an email that has resources covering measles, vaccinations and viruses.

    http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3c8034ebf5d74492b5c8ef8c9&id=205bd946c0&e=9ab75 30882
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    Ah Measles. Nasty little bug. You get it by breathing. That's all you have to do. Breath in the same room as someone who is infected. An infected person can spread the virus for four days before they even know they're infected...they usually just think they have the start of a cold.

    Most people who get Measles survive it, (with complications like pneumonia and hearing loss...and other lovely stuff).... but one in 500 or so...gets Measles Encephalitis.

    Measles Encephalitis kills so rapidly, it's nearly impossible to diagnose it before it's too late for survival. A very aggressive, brutal illness.

    Another nasty wildcard...is SSPE, a fatal central nervous illness that pops up 10 years after a case of measles.

    And of course there's pregnancy with case of measles...which has some more nasty consequences.

    When breakouts occur...and they're getting progressively more common...Anti-vaxer's will learn the hard way. It's really that simple and tragic. They'll be responsible for their own kid's injuries and deaths...and those of others as well.

    CDC: 102 measles cases in January, most stemming from Disney outbreak - CNN.com
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    Vickie - It is good to note that this link is from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute which has great free resources for science education. I ordered a box of DVDs and a quarterly science magazine for free!

    Thanks for posting this.
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    Measles Related Resources for Your Class

    Coolbeans! I remember watching the NOVA show they recommend, tried getting my sister to watch it (she just had her first baby).

    Thanks for sharing!
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    Thanks for this! My kids are waaaay too young for this, but there are some fantastic resources here for older kids (and also for myself on a nerdy night). That NOVA show was fantastic. I have a five-month old who is too young for the MMR, the measles have been on my mind of late (I'm counting on herd immunity to protect her and nervous about the recent outbreak (although I do ultimately respect people's rights to decide what goes into their bodies even if I disagree with their choices - really!))

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    A growing number of clinicians are refusing to see patients who are unwilling to be vaccinated due to their own preference (and not a medical justification).

    This makes perfect sense to me. Why would they accept the increased risk of having unvaccinated kids in their waiting rooms full of sick people? Particularly with illnesses like Measles...which is airborne.

    If I were a doctor, I wouldn't see patients who choose this. It wouldn't be fair to endanger my other patients.

    http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/S...290725331.html
    http://www.wbaltv.com/doctor-wont-se...-kids/31089198
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellnes...ry?id=13037217

    If I had a baby right now....I would actively seek out a doctor who refuses unvaccinated patients. For the safety of my baby...at least until his vaccination schedule is complete.
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    My child had severe reactions to different vaccines, and was hospitalized more than once afterward, and now has a medical exemption. It's one reason we homeschool. DH had a computer/math guy figure out with the population under age 18, and 100 cases in the US, DS has a .0000003 % chance of even being exposed to it. I'll take my chances. And I totally support everyone's right to get any vaccine they want. Or not. I am pro-choice - you choose what you do with your body/child. In every respect: pregnancy, vaccines, what you eat, how you educate, etc.
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    Who are these crazy "anti-vaxxers" anyway? I'm 50 years old and have never met a single one. I've met people who choose not to vaccinate their own kids, but I have yet to encounter this "movement" of wackos trying to keep me from getting my kids vaccinated on schedule that everybody seems to be talking about this week.

    Maybe I'm just lucky and have always bumbled across good doctors???

    Anywho, thanks for the link, Vickie; my math/science geek is going to enjoy it.

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    Yeah, but with vaccination, you're not just choosing for just your kid...you're choosing for other people's kids as well, because of the way herd immunity works. It's a very fuzzy line....where one person's rights end and another person's right's begin....is a tough call to make.

    People in your situation...who have kids who have legitimate reasons for not vaccinating...Severe documented reactions, or immunosuppressive illness...are more at risk when more people simply "choose" not to vaccinate and herd immunity becomes weak. Literally the only way we can protect kids like yours...is to implement stronger vaccination laws.

    Back when EJ was born, in 2003...we had fewer than 50 cases of measles in the US. That trend held through 2008. But cases have been inching up every year.

    Last year, we had 600+ cases. And already this year, we've had over 100 cases. And he can get it....by breathing at Walmart (or Disneyland as the case may be).

    I get what you're saying, but when you're talking about a highly contagious airborne illness....your numbers don't hold true. This shit is bad. It spreads very very fast.

    It's not like contact viral contagions...like mumps or the flu. It's a whole different animal. Mumps and Flu are a LOT tougher to get. You have to touch something and introduce it to your mucous membranes. If you stay six feet away from coughing people and use good hygiene, you can (mostly) control exposure. But you can catch Measles from breathing contaminated air. Worse, it's a tough virus, and will stay infective in the air up to two hours! You really can't protect yourself without being an absolute hermit.

    If I had a kid who was not vaccinatable due to a medical exemption.....I would be twice as staunchly in support stronger vaccination laws...for my own child's safety.

    With an airborne illness outbreak...it wouldn't take much of a perfect storm..... to have devastating consequences for unvaccinated kids.


    Before the measles vaccine in 1963, the death rate from measles was close to twice that from polio. Fortunately, the new vaccine turned the situation around. In 1963 and 1964, there were over 800,000 cases of measles in the United States. By 1982, vaccination had largely eliminated the disease in the US.

    I remember measles...close up and personal. My older cousin is severely developmentally disabled due to a case of it in 1960 when he was an toddler. This kinda informs my perspective.

    And I'm sure your traumatic memories of your child's vaccination reaction...also informs your perspective.
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    It was either NOVA or Frontline that talked abt the anti-vacciners. I think frontline.
    Even Dr Sears is more in the *different schedule vaccinations* than whatever the CDC says.
    The idea is that we are flooding babies with too many foreign chemicals all at once when they are too little to be able to cope with it. So if one spreads them out over more time then its less potentially harmful. Not anti-vaccine wackos, but a more gentle schedule.
    EJ had a reaction, it seems unfair that his herd immunity would be compromised by people who decide not to vaccinate their kids for fear of ASD. Thats just my thought.
    Homeschooling DS13, DS6.

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