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    I've used CLE since day one and skipped over or brushed pass the bible stuff. but now in social studies and science it is just so heavy, there is no way around it. I've completely stopped social studies and planning to replace it with story of the world and Usborne encyclopedia. but science, I'm having a hard time finding something to replace cle.


    I'm looking for something that is secular or at least with minimal religion. that blends creation and evolution, if possible. ( I'm monotheist, just not Christian or "young world") I've looked into science odyssey and liked it, but we want more of a workbook style. Singapore and science 4 kids are kind of pushing my budget.


    I'm new to this forum. I have 3 kiddos, Batman in 3rd, Ninja in 2nd and Ladybug in 1st. We will be working through the summer cause we had more than a few delays this year and last(illness and stuff) so we are playing catch up.

    please help me replace cle science.

    I do like cle math and language arts. we will continue those subjects unless there is a problem.

    cle reading might be out next, if you have suggestions for reading please let me know.

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    Hmmm. Do you want science (reproducible results with experiments, apt to be changed if better evidence presents itself, etc), or mythology (subject to interpretation, beliefs despite evidence to the contrary, etc)?

    To my knowledge, there is no secular blend of science and anti-scientific creationism. Science answers the how come / why questions eventually with “we dont know yet, lets think about how to figure it out”. Religion answers it with “because (God)”.

    Its also not as if secular science curriculum at this age goes around saying “there is no god” in the footer of each page.
    Teach science. Teach mythology, or ethics, or religion. There are lots of science curriculum to choose from!
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    Since your kiddos are young still, maybe an Evan-Moor workbook could function as a spine.
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    Workbook-style science for 1st-3rd grade ?? Why? These are the ages when kids love to poke and ponder, figure it out, explore. Why would you want to kill their curiosity and make them think science is a boring subject with a workbook?

    And creation and evolution can't co-exist. They are mutually exclusive.

    Sorry for not being helpful (or maybe I am by steering you away from what you are asking for because it is not going to work)
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    A lot of secular users like CLE reading and math for various reasons. I've never heard of anyone using the other subjects who wasn't religious.

    You might like some of the materials from the Catholic publishers? I don't know a lot about them, but I know Seton and Kolbe are two. Catholics are old earthers and believe in generally accepted science, but obviously they're religious.

    There are a number of "neutral" texts for science. Real Science 4 Kids is one. Elemental Science is another. The materials by Ellen McHenry are another. These would be texts that don't discuss "controversial" issues like evolution, or discuss them in a slightly misleading way. I would not consider these texts secular at all.

    Of course, there are other secular options other than Pandia Press, which you mentioned.

    I would urge you not to bother with a workbook for 1st and 3rd grade science. I think you'd be better off doing nothing for science, honestly. An early elementary science workbook is going to be straight up busy work. So, basically, while I've suggested a bunch of things you could look at, my suggestion is to go to the library, check out some science books, read them aloud, and call it a day.
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    i do like pandia press. I'm interested in workbooks only for my 3rd grader but with the fun. for the younger 2, I just want to get them introduced and interested. we are not a religious family, spiritual mostly. I hope to encourage love for all walks of life and to coexist no matter what. so I want to stay away from a single point of view.

    I didn't think I would find much that blended creation and evolution. that's okay. we certainly don't believe in young world. cle science hasn't came to that point yet but I'm trying yo be prepared with a replacement.

    I am leaning in the direction of just doing group readings, online games and activities for now. so when would I need to start getting more intense with science?

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    today I found some online social studies and science. Ducksters and kids know it are free and kids discover is about 144 for the year. I'm thinking about using them together or in rotation and add my own project, activities, and labs, or at least try. I still want to buy Usborne encyclopedia and maybe Story of the world. if you've tried these sites, let me know what you think about them or if you know of a better option.

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    I find the thought of teaching science that is not really science, because you are going to underline it with a big dose of mistrust based on creationism, really confusing. And I would suggest considering if you might confuse your kids in the process too.

    Just teach them separately. Trust that your kids are intelligent enough to think about it all and come up with their own position. Maybe it will be different to yours, maybe it won't, but at least they will have been presented with all the information from each side fully and can properly evaluate it.
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    I've always found Ducksters to be very dull and dry. About the equivalent of reading an old dusty encyclopedia set. Not something I would subject an early elementary student to as their main text but I might pull information from there to create a lesson of my own. The kids would never see the Ducksters site, I would just use it a basis to create a list of points I want to cover on a particular subject and use other more engaging texts or media to teach them.

    Kids Know It looks a little bit better than Ducksters in terms of fun and engaging for young kids but still not a route I would chose for science. Maybe as a fun extra but not the core of my science lessons.

    You might check your local libraries to see if they have Kids Discover available for patrons. Even if the library closest to you doesn't have it, other area libraries might and it will be cheaper to be a non-resident library patron (typically $20 - $50 a year on average) than pay for all the different subscription services the library might offer.

    The only two suggestions I have that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet would be Building Foundations of Scientific Understanding (BFSU) and Mystery Science.

    BFSU is a guide for teaching science for K-8 separated into 3 volumes. You could honestly start with the K-2 version for all 3 kids and just differentiate the level of complexity for each kids' assignment. The topics covered are plenty meaty enough for a 3rd grader as long as you expect 3rd grade level output from the lessons but still able to be grasped by your younger students as well. Each volume is $5 per e-book on the author's website or $20 - $25 for a hard copy from Amazon.

    Mystery Science is a subscription based science video service with hands-on labs for each video. The lessons contain a range of topics that try to answer questions children commonly have like 'Why is snow white?' or 'Why do woodpeckers peck wood?'. Most of the labs require simple and easily obtainable materials. You can access some of the lessons with a free account or all the lessons for $69 per year.

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    I am going to agree with NZ_Mama, here.

    As a disclaimer, I will let you know that I am not at all spiritual or religious and use only 100% secular materials. I am telling you that so you know my biases, upfront.

    That said, If I were religious/spiritual, I would teach religion as a separate subject, and not attempt to incorporate it into social studies and especially not science. Plenty of people believe in religion without taking the bible literally, and don't have issues with compartmentalizing the subjects.

    If that seems incomplete to you, you have another option. When you get to the questions science can't currently answer, you can always incorporate what different people believe using supplemental materials. If you add it in as a comparative religion element, that will get you closer to appreciating beliefs of people from all walks of life, if that is what you are aiming for. If you want to also say what you believe as a family than you can say that as well.

    I think that is different from using a science/religious Frankenbook b/c inevitably a Frankenbook will have additions that reflect one religion, and really will not be teaching your kids to appreciate ideas from all walks of life and probably won't match up with your family's specific ideas, either, if you are more spiritual than actually religious. Usually texts that have a religious bent only consider one particular flavor of religion.

    As I said, I would probably try to keep the comparative religion aspect separate, but that's me.

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