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    Okay, looking for some BTDT advice. We're thinking of purchasing LoE Foundations for my 4 yo who is asking to learn how to read words, I really think he'd enjoy the lessons. I also have a 7 yo who is reading independently, but is frustrated because she's encountering words that are difficult to sound out in her chapter books. I didn't teach her to read, she was in a Montessori from PS-K, she has a mix of sight word and single letter phonics. I think she would benefit from a phonics program and suspect she'll breeze through quickly where her brother (4) will need far more time as a new reader.

    Here's my dilemma: what do I buy? Can I make Foundations work for both of them? Is Essentials, well, essential for my older kid?

    I'd love any input. Thanks and sorry for being such a lurker!

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    My DD struggles with spelling and we tried essentials and made it half way and then it just completely fell apart. I found it difficult to teach and she found it difficult. We ended up stopping it. Other people love it and we have found that many spelling programs that others love are just incredibly difficult for us, so take what we say with a grain of salt.
    DS16 with ASD, DD12 and DS10

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    Eh, fair enough. I'm not totally sold, the cost is prohibitively expensive! My bank account won't let me buy all the things.

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    Well, if you want to be nice to your bank account.... do not buy it. There are plenty of free or cheap options that can do the job of teaching a 4yo how to read. You do not have to break the bank to do it. Progressive Phonics is a great free phonics program, there are a ton of free or cheap Ipad apps, Explode the Code and Hooked on Phonics are much cheaper, and there are tons of K level workbooks and readers that you can pick up at Costco or any other store that will help you to do the job of teaching your 4yo to read just fine!

    I see the point of using elaborate and expensive programs like LOE when you have tried everything else and your child is still not figuring it out, nothing works, nothing clicks. Then you go and shell the money for the 'heavy stuff'. I see no sense in doing it from the beginning.

    As for your reading 7yo, maybe, instead of making her go through the phonics, which will be boring because she is reading already, you can find a spelling program that will be on her level and will address the same skills that she is lacking in decoding the big words. Or make it up yourself! Collect all of the words that she is having trouble with, look for patterns, make your own spelling lists, and practice with her.
    mom to 3 girls: DD10, DD9, DD6

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    You could try something less expensive, at least at the start. Explode the Code workbooks (and BOB books) taught my older one to read. You could find whereabout your older daughter places, and if its too easy for her.... well, you will have it for your younger as he gets to it.
    Their workbooks just have numbers (1-8), so there is no age or grade stigma attached to them, and you can start with whatever rules she needs to learn.

    But thats not LOE.
    Homeschooling DS13, DS6.


    My spelling was fine, then my brain left me.

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    I'm guessing your 4 year old would start w/ LOE Foundations A, and the 7 year old would do well with either LOE B or possibly C. B starts assuming kids know basic phonograms for single letters and vowels. It quickly moves to silent E words, and multi-letter phonograms. If she's encountering harder words, what phonograms do you see that she hasn't mastered yet? It might be okay to just do Spelling instead of going with a reading program- the spelling teaches pretty much the exact same thing. I do think that they could play the games together.

    I have LOE Essentials (older version), I tried it w/ an older child (4th grade) and it didn't go over well. I need to put it up for sale. I do know one woman who used it w/ all her kids, the youngers moved slowly, the olders moved more quickly, kids all played the games together. It isn't very visually appealing- plain worksheets, pretty dry IMO. YOu have to schedule and implement the games, that's what makes the program more fun. The Foundations books have colorful worksheets. I'm not sure how the newer Essentials workbooks look like, they may be better than the version I have.

    I'm a pretty big LOE fan for teaching phonics, my kids much preferred it over All About Reading. THey like the games and I feel like they got a good phonics base from it. We switched to AAR level 3 after doing LOE C, and they just didn't like it. It teaches in a similar order, but for some reasons my kids didn't enjoy it, and they hated the pages of words to read.
    Mom to 5 great kids~

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    Thanks for all the help! For DD (7), I think spending time on spelling is a great idea. She can sight read ALL of the readers in both LOE and AAR with only tripping up on a few tricky words. She's reading Harry Potter on her own, but getting frustrated when there's a word she can't barrel through or use single letter phonograms to decode. She despised the electronic ETC and felt it was too repetitive. I think we'll do some fast and dirty phonogram review, a spelling program (she LOVES spelling anyway) and just tons of reading. As for DS (4), I'll check out those free/inexpensive programs mentioned. Thanks for talking me down. ��

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