View Full Version : PE question (Maryland, Florida)

04-29-2010, 03:15 PM
This is mostly for anyone homeschooling in Maryland or Florida, but anyone in a state with similar requirements feel free to chime in. Basically right now we live in Maryland, and we don't have to deal with a review, though in the future I may. Right we are planning to use Calvert with ATS for Kindergarten so we don't have to worry about a review next year, but I worry so I want to find out now. All I can find on the PE requirement is that there is one. I've seen on message boards and blogs different ways that people do PE, with a class, book, or even Wii game. Now one person got me all worried because they said that you need to have your child in a class or on a sports team for the PE credit in Maryland, though of course they thought I also needed it with Calvert. So I'm not sure if they had all the right information anyway. I'm also asking about Florida because we plan to move there in the next few years, and we might have to deal with reviews when we move, if we opt out of the ATS service.
Thanks in advance :)

04-29-2010, 05:32 PM
There are no requirements of any kind of subject matter (PE or other) in Florida for the elementary grades.

For Florida homeschool info, see the FPEA site "An introducation to homeschooling in Florida (http://www.fpea.com/starting/index/css/starting_point.html)", which has really good information. On page 10-11, it talks about high schoolers and states that "Florida statutes do not list specific graduation requirements for homeschoolers but that it is wise to follow a path that will enable you to achieve your post high-school goals." I thought I had heard recently that, as a homeschooling parent, you can no longer grant a high school diploma because only public schools are allowed to grant high school diplomas. I do believe that high schoolers need to take the GED now. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Basically there are 2 ways to homeschool in Florida:

1) Register through your county and submit either a yearly evaluation of a portfolio done either by a Florida certified teacher of your choice, or standardized test results, or a psychological evaluation, and be considered a homeschooler.

2) Register through an umbrella school and be considered a private school student. There is no requirement of an evaluation or any standardized testing if you choose this option.

I need to mention that you could also elect to cyberschool through Florida Virtual School, which, at this point, is free to all Florida residents. BUT if you do this, your child will be a public school student, not a homeschooler or private school student.


04-30-2010, 01:26 AM
I need to mention that you could also elect to cyberschool through Florida Virtual School, which, at this point, is free to all Florida residents. BUT if you do this, your child will be a public school student, not a homeschooler or private school student.



I'm glad you brought this up because we are considering using the Florida Virtual School for at least part of our son's schooling in the coming months. When I look at their information for homeschoolers I can't find anything that says that the child would be considered a public school student. http://www.flvs.net/Students/Pages/Homeschoolers.aspx Am I missing something somewhere?


04-30-2010, 02:11 AM

I'm glad you brought this up because we are considering using the Florida Virtual School for at least part of our son's schooling in the coming months. When I look at their information for homeschoolers I can't find anything that says that the child would be considered a public school student. http://www.flvs.net/Students/Pages/Homeschoolers.aspx Am I missing something somewhere?


Hmmm, you're right, it doesn't say anything about that. I think that I got confused between kids registered through their p.s. who actually do school via FLVS for health or other reasons (my own teen who goes to p.s. takes Spanish via FLVS as a p.s. student), and homeschoolers using FLVS for part or all of their classes. I have to say that I'm not sure why a homeschooler who uses FLVS for 100% of his/her classes (all taught by p.s. teachers) would still be considered a homeschooler and what the difference would be between that homeschooler and a p.s. student who does 100% of their classes via FLVS. And the more I think about it, the more confused I get, so maybe you shouldn't be listening to me at all :( But I did find a chart that can help answer this question at http://www.learningis4everyone.org/content/view/90/39/1/1/ I think I may have been confused between Connections Academy and Florida Virtual School.

More info in my next post due to message size limitations...

04-30-2010, 02:24 AM
Beth, here is the text of a post dated September 2009 from the Florida Home Education Law Yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FL-HomeEducation-Law/) It's not a very active group but you can learn very good info through their archives so you might want to join it. I think this post might help you too. Sorry for all the confusion. Nothing is ever easy, is it? And again this post is too long so I'm going to trunkate it into 2 posts. Here is part 1:

To: [email protected]
Sent: 9/11/2009 11:20:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: [HEF_Info] Everything You to Want to Know about Florida's Virtual Programs

HEF has been sorting out all the variations of s. 1002.45 F.S. which passed in the final days of the 2009 Session. There was virtually no public discussion of the bill, and the conforming bill appeared with the budget 4 days before the end of Session. Everyone knew there was going to be a bill, but no one knew exactly what was going to be in the legislation until it
finally appeared. At that point, the 67 school districts scrambled to create their own virtual instruction program, and the vendors moved at neck-breaking speed to try to beat all the rest to get the contract with the school districts. It has been challenging to gather the facts and compare all the variations. The last piece of the puzzle was to work out how home education students who take virtual courses were to be classified by the FHSAA for extracurricular activities. Here are the facts with the most accurate
information that can be discerned for this school year. Things will most likely change again during the 2010 Session, so HEF will keep you apprised.

Program Descriptions:
The Florida Virtual School (FLVS) was established as a statewide public school in 2001. Its motto is "Any time, any place, any path, any pace." The winner of numerous state, national, and international awards, FLVS is now the national model in virtual education according to the US DOE and the Southern Regional Education Board.
Like public schools, FLVS receives state funding for each enrolled student, but unlike public schools, FLVS only gets those funds when a student successfully completes a course. Success is measured by outcomes rather than seat time, so there are no attendance records to be kept. The courses were built on the Sunshine State Standards and can be adjusted as new standards
are adopted because the curriculum is provided in a virtual environment. The courses are free to any student in the state. According to Florida TaxWatch's research, FLVS saved the State more than $1000 per student compared to
traditional schools in 2007, and FLVS produced students who earned higher grades and higher test scores than their public school counterparts.

On its main virtual campus for students in grades 6-12, FLVS offers over 95 interactive, engaging courses, including AP and Honors, taught by certified teachers, many of whom have a Masters or Doctorate degree and all of whom are teaching in-field. FLVS now offers a game through which students learn American History. Home education students can register directly through
_www.flvs.net_ (http://www.flvs.net/) for one or more courses. FLVS teachers direct the instructional process while communicating with parents regularly about their child's progress in each course.

Home education students may take as many courses through FLVS as they like and still participate in extracurricular activities at their zoned public school or at a private school. They can take as many dual enrollment courses as the college will allow. Some students with certain learning challenges and varied learning paces have been very successful in FLVS because of the one-on-one instruction and the extended time in which to complete a course. FLVS is a year-round program where students may enroll at any time. To ensure complete student and parent access, all teachers are full-time and available seven days a week, from 8am to 8pm.

The Florida Virtual School - Connections Academy (FLVS-CA) is a partnership that brings the Connection Academy curriculum to home education students in grades 6-8 through the FLVS delivery system. The program is free to home education students who register at _www.flvs.net_ (http://www.flvs.net/) .
This is a full-time program which requires the parent to keep attendance records and document 4 to 5 hours of instruction per day for 180 days. The textbooks, manipulatives, and supplies are shipped to the student's home at the beginning of the school year. A "Learning Coach", who is typically a parent or other adult family member, provides daily instruction in partnership with a Florida certified teacher who has expertise in providing online instruction. The Connections Academy teacher answers questions, review assignments, adjusts individual lesson plans and assesses progress.
Noteworthy to consider is that the FLVS-CA option is a structured program with grade-level curriculum and follows the school calendar. In comparison, the FLVS curriculum, described above, offers students in grades 6-8 the flexibility to enroll at anytime in one or more courses taught by Florida-certified teachers and completed on a flexible schedule.

School District Virtual - FLVS Franchise began as an initiative to help the county school districts replicate the curriculum design and instructional delivery success of FLVS. This partnership gives Florida students increased access to online learning through district virtual campuses, such as the Broward Virtual School.
The district selects FLVS courses to be taught by Florida-certified teachers employed by their school district. The district receives the full funding for any student enrolled in the school district franchise and pays FLVS $50 per half-credit. In turn, FLVS provides the curriculum, delivery platforms, teacher training and mentoring, and district support.
In addition to the courses offered by the district, all FLVS courses are still available to any student directly via the FLVS main virtual campus and FLVS gets the funding. Home educated students can enroll in any course, free of charge, through either the school district franchise or directly with FLVS.
Noteworthy to consider is that franchise courses may only be offered during the traditional school year, the teachers may be full time or part time, and office hours may vary. All courses taken directly through FLVS are offered year-round and taught by full-time teachers with seven day, 8am to 8pm availability.

In order to increase their funding, some districts are offering home education students a diploma, using the transfer of credit rule, if the student enrolls full-time in the district virtual school for at least the final semester of their senior year. However, the student's right to participate in extra-curricular activities and dual enrollment may be affected.

The FHSAA (Florida High School Athletic Association) is now requiring parents to provide the child's cumulative record in order to see where virtual courses for home education students are being taken. The FHSAA policy is that if a student is taking 50% or more of their courses in a Franchise, the student will be ruled a public school student. A parent can access their child's cumulative record in the guardian account and determine where the child is taking the course. A home education student can take as many FLVS courses as the parent desires. So, be sure to check the child's cumulative record as soon as the child is registered for a virtual course.

04-30-2010, 02:25 AM
And here is part 2:

School District Virtual Instruction Program (VIP) for K-8 was passed by the 2008 Legislature and expanded in 2009. This legislation requires that school districts offer full-time virtual education, aligned with the Sunshine State Standards, in grades K-12 to each eligible student beginning with the 2009-2010 school year. A student who enrolls in the VIP is a public school
student. To be eligible for the program, a child has to meet one of the following requirements: have been enrolled in a Florida public school during the entire previous school year, have been enrolled in the K-8 Virtual School Program* (which is no longer available), or be a child of a military family. Students who were in a home education program for the previous school
year are not eligible for the district VIP.
The VIP is a full-time public school program, following a traditional 180-day school calendar. An on-site Learning Coach, typically a parent, is established for each student. The parent, who will receive training, lesson plans, and instructional materials, will be required to complete every assigned lesson, and document the required 4 to 5 hours of instruction per day
for 180 days per year. The school district must verify the attendance. District VIP students are required to take the FCAT. Districts must also provide computers and internet access to qualified students. Many school districts are using the federal free-and-reduced lunch (poverty) guidelines to qualify the students who will receive the technology.

* K-8 Virtual School Program, a full-time pilot program administered by the Florida Department of Education, began in 2005. The funding for the program was eliminated by the 2009 Legislature, but students already in the program were allowed to enroll in a School District Virtual Instruction Program. Initially, it was funded for 1000 students and later expanded to include their siblings. Students enrolled into this program became full-time public school students and were required to take the FCAT. Parents provided 4 to 5 hours of instruction per day for 180 days per year under the direction f a Florida certified teacher. The two approved providers were K-12, Inc. operating as Florida Virtual Academy) and Connections Academy. Students in this program appeared to be home educated, since they were taught at home by their parents, but they were actually public school students, thus they were grandfathered into the School District Virtual Instruction Program.

To help you compare these programs HEF has created a "Guide to Virtual Education for Home Educators" (http://www.flhef.org/pdf/09virtualschool.pdf) available under the Resources section at http://www.flhe.org/

04-30-2010, 01:14 PM
It looks like if we keep Calvert with ATS, then she'll be considered a private school student. Though if we drop the ATS and/or change curriculum, it looks like it might be easier in Florida, either that or some of the women over-react/do to much here.
Thanks for all the info Nathalie.

04-30-2010, 01:43 PM
Nathalie, thank you so much for all of this information!! I will take a close look at it this weekend and I'm sure that it will be helpful in increasing our understanding of the homeschooling law in FL regarding virtual schooling. We're not sure we want to go that route and this will help us get a better handle on it.

Have a great weekend,

05-03-2010, 11:04 PM
Here are some of the non-class/team things we have counted as P.E. accepted by the county reviewers:

Running together 3 times a week (training for a 5K fun run)
Dancing at home (with a ballet video, and also modern improv/choreography to classical)
Once-a-week swimming
Playground gymnastics ( monkey bars, etc.)
Learning to ride a bike
Calisthenics (Canadian Royal Air Force Fitness Exercise Program)

The county reviews in MD are not stressful. They just want to check their boxes and fulfill their legal obligations; they are not supposed to evaluate your program.


05-04-2010, 10:13 AM
Thank you, friend, that really helps out a lot. It sounds like the women I heard from before were just reading too much into it. It definitely makes the review process seem a lot more appealing since I wouldn't have to stress so much over P.E.