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    Again, I was JOKING! LOL

    I said I bet what you find offensive is that other people act like their poo don't stank b/c they lurve the Constitution. I don't feel that way. In fact, I don't think it says much about me at all other than that I've studied a lot and dig it.

    As for the stupid word "revere" I think you're reading too much into that too. It's not strictly-speaking a religious term at all, and that's not how I meant it. I just meant that I consider it as important as it is--it's the governing document of my country, and as I pointed out, we demand that our leaders *swear an oath* to defend it and uphold it. Seems to me, whatever individual people here or abroad think of it, the nation as a whole still "reveres" it somewhat right?
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    The nation reveres the constitution ? Well, what would I know, I'm Australian

    My advice is: start a group for discussion purposes and leave the Constitution question alone on the forums. And that isn't a
    snarky piece of advice, it's a btdt ( different topic, obviously ) piece of advice.

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    BTW, I'm not stupid. I didn't come here expecting to find anything but homeschoolers. I think even the term "secular" is up for discussion (or so it would seem). Like I said, I expected to find liberals b/c oftentimes "secular" is code for "liberal" politically, but not exclusively them either. I really had no idea what I'd find in the micro-sense.

    What I did *not* expect was to find people in a non-debate forum being openly hostile towards each other about their views. Even if a religious homeschooler tripped in here by accident, I would hope people would gently direct them to the name and description of the forum

    I don't rule people OUT, I'm hoping to add people IN to my circle, and my fear after reading that thread (and a few others) was that people who might be a good fit for me, for sharing ideas and such, were either very quiet or hiding, or not here but maybe somewhere else. I have all kinds of friends, and not all of them agree with me about this and other issues. I love them just the same But like I said, there's nothing wrong with wanting to add people to your circle who DO think like you too, we all do it, it's pretty much human nature.
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    BTW, where WOULD be the correct forum for waving my particular freak-flag so as to attract members of my tribe? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stella M View Post
    The nation reveres the constitution ? Well, what would I know, I'm Australian
    Like I said, the nation makes those who serve it in a public capacity *swear an oath* to uphold and defend it. If that's not "reverence" I'm not really sure what is. Merely stating a fact.

    World English Dictionary
    revere (rɪˈvɪə)
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    ( tr ) to be in awe of and respect deeply; venerate
    U.S. History is my passion! I'm interested in spirited discussion with other HS parents trying to raise "patriots" in the USA in whatever way that is meaningful for them! Join my group: http://www.secularhomeschool.com/group.php?groupid=120

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    I don't think you are stupid. I think Groups are good for adding people in who think along the same lines as you. The Group function is under-utilised here.

    Another way to go about it would to be to post about a Group you are starting for those who are socially liberal AND who are interested in great curriculum dealing with Constitutional issues and education from a particular pov.

    I think that would be more effective in finding your 'tribe', than this thread has been.

    Those of us, American or not, who do not particularly revere any document, particularly one produced by white, privileged men many moons ago, are just as welcome here to express their views as those who do.

    Revere has particular connotations; I'd suggest using the word 'respect' if that's what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deb417 View Post
    Like I said, the nation makes those who serve it in a public capacity *swear an oath* to uphold and defend it. If that's not "reverence" I'm not really sure what is. Merely stating a fact.

    World English Dictionary
    revere (rɪˈvɪə)
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    ( tr ) to be in awe of and respect deeply; venerate
    Go to the groups tab to start. There are lots of groups, some active and some not. Then maybe post on the forum to let people know it is there and what purpose you have for it. Good luck finding your tribe!
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    Swearing an oath doesn't automatically mean respect. People swear oaths for all kinds of reasons.

    To be in awe of: nope, don't get it. There is no document on earth I am in awe of, and in fact, I think being in awe of a document is downright dangerous.

    But let's leave the Constitution and reverence/lack of reverence alone. I'm not interested in being convinced that Americans love the Constitution.

    I hope you find people here though this thread who see things the way you do. It is always very nice to find like-minded people and to be able to share resources.

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    Just reading through what you have written here, I think it was not just the tone of the other thread that bothered you, but the sentiments that were expressed. Start your group. It will be nice because as Stella says, it really is good to find like minded people to discuss/debate/commiserate....
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    Yep, and it's not a suggestion to try and shut you down on the main forum, in case you were seeing it that way. It's just a compromise suggestion that allows you to find your people and allows those of us who disagree with you on Constitutional respect to still have our say.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to want to know there are fellow homeschoolers whose thinking aligns with yours. God knows, when I find a fellow liberal atheist, I'm all over happy. And these forums should be a place for you to find that connection too.



    I wouldn't use the term 'freak flag' though. I disagree with you. It doesn't make you a freak.

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