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    Hate the fact that I used to be quite acclimatized to ambient favoring of the male state of being, to the point that I never noticed it, but now, I think it's irritating that the turtle used to demonstrate mathematical patterns and progressions on Khan Academy has to always be a "he" (because things in general are always a "he" unless there is a reason, exclusive to the female gender, for it to be female?).

    I can't even stomach the old pulp scifi novels I once loved, because now I notice that the only way to enjoy them is to identify with the male protagonist, or if the protagonist is female, it is often written as if to prove something in the old "battle of the sexes" idea, or we as women are supposed to go along with, and even agree with, the implicit assumptions about the character because that's how women are, and everyone knows it, right? Riiiiight.

    Quotas and tit-for-tat bugs me and I wouldn't want everything reconfigured to disprove any and all possible stereotypes, but why are people so close-minded? Why does the "muscle" in the show Alphas, HAVE to be a black male, and that's the only black character? Why does the assumed-on-the-spectrum wunderkind who sees EMF and can surf wireless without a device, HAVE to be the stereotypically skinny white kid? Why is neither of them female? Oh, because the "gets her way by being persuasive" one has to be a sexed-up female, and the "super sensitive" also does. Brains and brawn are male, and of that, brains are white, brawn is black, and persuasive is a sexed-up female. Couldn't be creative about it and make the uber-persuasive one a noncaucasian, nonfemale, whose looks are irrelevant.

    Why does PBS make math and science shows like Sid the Science Kid and Curious George with only male main characters, and language-arts shows like Word Girl and Martha Speaks, with only female main characters? I am not saying they have to ALWAYS have everything purposely made to counter existing stereotypes, but come on! Liz the Science Wiz and Martin Speaks wouldn't have killed them, would it?

    Bo on the Go was a nice deviation from the calcified patterns...at least it was a physically active show about a rambunctious kid, and the kid was a girl, who wasn't all pink and purple and coquettish.

    But you know what's terrible? I also hate it when people are just as brainwashed in their attempts to fight stereotypes, that they try to reclassify people, forcibly, along opposite-gender-stereotype lines. Why does anything have to be forced? My only beef is that people at large seem incapable of seeing women as people, as just as likely to be something besides a coquette or sex object, as a man is.

    It seems so simple a desire, to appear impossible to realize.

    Oh, and, uh... I hate that even writing this makes me sound like a prig who gets worked up over trifles. But the cultural acceptance of increasingly narrow and limited stereotypes along ethnic and gender lines seems to have gotten worse instead of better, in the last 20 years, and it stinks.
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    Second hate for today (hopefully, last!): relatives who don't get homeschooling, AND don't get kids because they never had any, visiting for the holidays. For a very looooooong stay. Excessively long.

    Third hate for today: ice storms and power outages and spending Christmas in a hotel room with kids bouncing off the walls. But at least we were warm and safe. That was a bonus.
    40-something mom of 4 kids who haven't been to school, taking it one year and one day at a time.

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    Crunchy, I have been completely losing my crap over sexist kids books recently. First I read Lion/Witch/Wardrobe, which i'd never read before, and Raven jumped on the bed YELLING when the lion said that, while girls can fight, its not pretty (or something like that). then I read four books by Daniel Pinkwater . . . the first three, the only female characters were very brief moments of mom, librarian, waitress. the last one had a girl - a girl who could fix cars, hated conversation, and preferred to be alone most of the time. Yeah, NOT a girl, in otherwords. And then (Sorry Farrar) another book which so clearly was going to follow the classic stereotypes (when I read negative reviews, yes, the sister only ever acted like a mini-nagging-mother?)

    So i was so excited to read Wrinkle in Time, where the main character is Meg. Meg is even good at math. But still, in the end, she defeats evil through love, something only she could accomplish . . . well, because of how close she is to her brother. I mean, its better, but still, the female hero's super-power is love?

    Yeah, kinda frustrating. I still remember, as a young bookworm, being steered to some series about babysitting, uggg. And reading Nancy Drew and wondering what pumps were. And finally dressing like a boy and thinking of myself as one. Until the boobs got too big to hide . . . .

    For me, hating how i never get half as much done as I want to on a break. Supposed to reorganize and scrub the entire disaster of a house!
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    It always bugged me when shows and movies would refer to the female character as "the girl," but rarely by her name. They never called the male characters "the boy," unless it was about slavery, I suppose. Hmmm.

    It's one of the reasons why I like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. They have much more positive female characters, who are smart, have jobs they love and do well, and solve problems. I mean, it's still written for young kids, but it's rare in a "girl" show to have characters who have things in their lives more important to them than clothes, boys, and makeup. (Okay, so one character is obsessed with fashion--but she's a fashion designer, she should be!)

    Cara--I remember thinking that about Nancy Drew too! Also, wondering what a pinafore, jumper, and shirtwaist might be! Actually, ND bothered me the most because she could do EVERYTHING she tried, and do it well. Grrr. Talk about impossible standards. Like that perfume (I think) commercial: "I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never never let you forget you're a man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbmamaz View Post
    Crunchy, I have been completely losing my crap over sexist kids books recently. First I read Lion/Witch/Wardrobe, which i'd never read before, and Raven jumped on the bed YELLING when the lion said that, while girls can fight, its not pretty (or something like that). then I read four books by Daniel Pinkwater . . . the first three, the only female characters were very brief moments of mom, librarian, waitress. the last one had a girl - a girl who could fix cars, hated conversation, and preferred to be alone most of the time. Yeah, NOT a girl, in otherwords. And then (Sorry Farrar) another book which so clearly was going to follow the classic stereotypes (when I read negative reviews, yes, the sister only ever acted like a mini-nagging-mother?)

    So i was so excited to read Wrinkle in Time, where the main character is Meg. Meg is even good at math. But still, in the end, she defeats evil through love, something only she could accomplish . . . well, because of how close she is to her brother. I mean, its better, but still, the female hero's super-power is love?

    Yeah, kinda frustrating. I still remember, as a young bookworm, being steered to some series about babysitting, uggg. And reading Nancy Drew and wondering what pumps were. And finally dressing like a boy and thinking of myself as one. Until the boobs got too big to hide . . . .

    For me, hating how i never get half as much done as I want to on a break. Supposed to reorganize and scrub the entire disaster of a house!
    I get you on a lot of that, but I loved Meg on Wrinkle in Time, and overcoming evil through love is a laudable goal for ALL superheroes, I think.
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    Crunchy and others, I also get frustrated by lack or lackluster female characters. I'm in a male-dominated career, so I have been prickly about gender equality issues for quite some time, and it does carry over into movies and books. But the posts about the superpowers made me remember this article I read fairly recently. I don't remember particulars, but the gist was that they have never been successful in getting a big screen version of Wonder Woman. WTF? Who wouldn't love to see a total bad-ass woman superhero on the big screen? Is no one capable of writing a riveting storyline that features a female superhero? Come on! Hire the person(s) that did the really good Christian Bale Batman movies or something!
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    Sucker punch and Kickass had bad ass women leads, as did Hannah. Wonder Woman hmmmm, Xena warrior princess was better, she did kick butt! The Colour Purple had strong female leads, rising above oppression, strong women!

    If anything maybe they should follow up the mutants, Storm and Rogue see how they are doing. Hugh Jackman's muscles excite only for so long, time to retire the old dog.

    Movie goers are a fickle bunch.
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    There are also a lot of really great female characters in the Marvel line. You have a bunch of great female mutants. I'd love to see a Captain Marvel movie, and I think Spectrum could lead a comic of her own and a movie.

    Of course I'm a bit fixated on Marvel but I really loved the old Wonder Woman tv show, and wouldn't mind seeing a reboot of that or a movie for her. It would have to be done right though.
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    Random - dh and I have totally different tastes in movies. He is laughing hysterically at this bad movie he rented, and had to tell me the hysterically bad line "Josh cut his penis because something came out of my vagina." Yes, that was an actual line in the movie. Oh, its about piranhas . . i guess an egg, when she was swimming . . . yeah . . . meanwhile, i'm rewatching all of the Once Upon a Time series . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkspack View Post
    Crunchy and others, I also get frustrated by lack or lackluster female characters. I'm in a male-dominated career, so I have been prickly about gender equality issues for quite some time, and it does carry over into movies and books. But the posts about the superpowers made me remember this article I read fairly recently. I don't remember particulars, but the gist was that they have never been successful in getting a big screen version of Wonder Woman. WTF? Who wouldn't love to see a total bad-ass woman superhero on the big screen? Is no one capable of writing a riveting storyline that features a female superhero? Come on! Hire the person(s) that did the really good Christian Bale Batman movies or something!
    Saw this a few months ago, and your post made me think of it...WONDER WOMAN!! @ Rileah Vanderbilt
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