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    Quote Originally Posted by fastweedpuller View Post
    Groovymom (and crazyme), this post *did* have me chase down and review the HO American history. Any thoughts? ETA: re: crazyme's research into high school history texts, to me at least it did not seem "boring" nor did it overlook some not-so-wonderful points of the American experiment. Because i do remember my own high school text as being really rah-rah best country ever-ish
    That is the one I'm considering now that I have thrown The Story of Us out the window. I agree with your sentiments so far, but I want to print out the sample pages and read them over--I read much more thoroughly with print rather than digital. The questions seem to encourage critical thinking, and I like the essay prompts. Again, I agree that the writing doesn't seem dry, yet it is pretty succinct, which gives more (potential) time to go over primary sources and add in first person experiences and historical fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inmom View Post
    For homeschoolers, if the student can handle it, it's my opinion that dual credit courses show more rigor than AP. The kid has attended class and performed at a college level. "Proof" of further success at a college level.
    This ^^^^^^

    As a college prof who teaches writing, I see the students who are able to take a dual-credit class on a college campus are much better prepared than students who take AP courses. Particularly in writing. AP classes do not have the rigor (and frequently the dual-credit taken at a high school campus) and many students are not at the level they need to be to be successful in college.

    For colleges that have a two semester first-year writing requirement, I have seen many students who skip the first semester course because of dual-credit or AP and they are woefully underprepared for the second level college writing class. (And even students who may have taken the AP and did not get a high enough score on the exam are also at a disadvantage. They think their writing skills are much better then they are.)
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  4. #23


    Let us know what you think. I only previewed the PDF of the student text. I make a habit of going through the chapter/lesson list and this one seemed pretty sound, plus I liked the selection of paired readings. I did not go through the effort to use the suggested online history text though, nor did I look into the PDF of the teacher's guide...I am 2 years out yet and this tiny bit of research brought HO way up on the list of "maybe we'll do that."

    (grand plan is that she spends fall semester 10th grade here at home with us doing a quick US history review, then spends spring semester at the Conserve School in northern WI, where she'd be doing more US history and lit. Conserve School might appeal to you crazyme, it's one of a number of semester schools, and I know this one likes homeschooled kids a lot)
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    [QUOTE=crazyme;226485 In the book, she said that you must use the College Board's book selection (and pass their test) for you to call a class "AP," but you can also use whatever curriculum you want, have them take the AP test, and call the class "Honors" if they pass.[/QUOTE]
    I was under the impression (from my research and speaking with others) that in order to call a class AP on a transcript, the syllabus must have been approved by College Board. You can, as a homeschooler, do this fairly easily. I just got bored with trying to make everything line up in their boxes and curriculum requirements, so I tossed that idea and just called it Honors. It was, however, very much AP.
    In addition-when it comes to weighted grades and the like-I really think it depends on where you are. Like I said, here in SC, everyone uses a weighted system, and the colleges expect to see that. If I didn't use a weighted system, my kid wouldn't have a hope of competing. Actually, my homeschool association does my transcript, and they calculate the GPA-using weighted grades.
    I *know* that most Honors and AP is crap, and so do colleges. But that is where the system is at this point. In fact, you can take an AP class, receive the grade point bump, and fail the exam, and still have the benefit of it. The exam is separate from the class. Of course, getting an"A" in an AP class and failing the exam may cause raised eyebrows, but it happens. Less than 50% of kids taking the APUSH exam last year (2015-2016) passed. About 500000 kids took it.

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    And the board is giving me absolute fits this morning. I can't change the formatting on that post-and it's taken me 3 times to get around the security hoops to even post it. So I apologize.

  7. #26


    It's not formatting for me either, Groovymom...

    Fastweedpuller: I went to quote you, but couldn't, but I love that you brought up the Conserve School! I've known about it since it's inception, before it went through it's redo. It's somewhat linked with the college I went to, and it is in a spot where we really wanted to live (perfect distance to all the parents), but alas, it did not work out. It's a great place!

  8. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by groovymom2000 View Post
    In addition-when it comes to weighted grades and the like-I really think it depends on where you are. Like I said, here in SC, everyone uses a weighted system, and the colleges expect to see that.
    I've heard some admissions folk tell you to weight the GPA not necessarily for admittance but for scholarship consideration.

    FWIW, I put both weighted and non-weighted GPA on the transcript, especially the year we used the Common App. The same document goes to all universities the kid applied to; some may want weighted, some not.

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  9. #28


    I wanted to toss in my agreement that AP is mostly a racket. But the textbook lists are often a good research starting place if you want to do a high school course and need a spine.

    I haven't seen the HO US history course... HO isn't really my cuppa, but it's good that they wrote one since there aren't any other secular US history options specifically for homeschoolers that I'm even aware of.
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