04-19-2012, 12:35 AM #11
Bob Jones University (BJU)--------religious curriculum---LOL
04-19-2012, 12:15 PM #12
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carreannjoe - We'll agree to disagree.
I hope that you're able to find someone who has used the resources before. They are meant to be used in schools, but whether that means they're what one typically expects or not is something I can't answer. Have you tried contacting the organization to see if they might have some deals/packages they'd be willing to put together for a homeschooler? Maybe they can send you a sample chapter or direct you to another homeschooler who uses their materials (or a school)?
04-19-2012, 02:19 PM #13
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Here are my concerns about materials that lean too heavily toward libertarianism. I'm all for limited government power and personal responsibility, but the impression I have received from many libertarians is that personal responsibility excludes civic responsibility. In other words, they often seem to want to drive on the roads but not help build them.
I keep seeing the refrain, "fear the government." I would rather teach my children that the government is merely a tool or vehicle that the people use to work together for the common welfare. Our Founding Fathers warned of a tyrannical all powerful government ruled by monarchy because that was their experience. But when power and wealth is held by the the few, uprisings of the poor can be as dangerous as an angry dictator. Tyranny can come not only from powerful dictators but powerful multinational corporations employing slave labor and driving out small business. Harm can come not only from taxation without representation but also from large scale environmental abuse. I don't see many libertarians talking about these other types of dangers, only the dangers of "big" government.
Another thing that confuses me about libertarianism is this: "Small government" is always the refrain. What exactly IS big government? No matter what size the government is, it always needs to be smaller. In 1776, the population of the USA was 2.5 million. Today the US population is 313,352,259 million. The population is larger but the "world" is smaller. Things like open heart surgery and space travel were not possible when our Founding Fathers were alive. In 1790, the real GDP in US dollars was 1,024.87. In 2011, it was 42,671.00. To me, there are multitudes of reasons why the US government of today cannot be as small as it was 200 years ago. In fact it must not only be larger but far more complex in many ways because the times are so much more complex. The way I see it, federal law is simply the result US citizens protecting themselves and each other by creating order and preventing the collapse of civilization. It's not the size of government but it's effectiveness at at serving the common welfare, and not simply protecting the interests of the wealthy, powerful, privileged class. It seems to be that a government that is too small is no longer an effective tool to be used for the common welfare. I sometimes wonder if the libertarians want to make the government so small that it would collapse under the weight of the US population.
For these reasons I would be leery of materials that wish to push a strong libertarian agenda without showing several sides of the argument.
Here are the sources for the numbers: http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html, http://www.measuringworth.com/usgdp/
04-20-2012, 07:54 PM #14
Thank you for the response to my commentary. First let me say that my poor wife got on this website to find out about homeschooling. She read me mamaraby's response and I couldn't resist. I suppose I should sign up my own account so that she can avoid any crossfire. Anyway, I've been dying to respond to your comments; I just work a lot of hours so my time is limited. Your response requires a lot of debunking so I'll do my best to respond later tonight. I have to get back to work to pay for all this government That leads me to a question....or two:
1)What percentage of people's income do you think they should be forced to forfeit to pay for all these outstanding services that we receive?
2)Do you think that I could spend my money more wisely and efficiently then the government?
04-20-2012, 10:41 PM #15
Stay strong Susan.Julie,
home schooling two dds 17(still waters) and 9(force of nature)
04-20-2012, 10:51 PM #16
04-21-2012, 09:47 PM #17
I found this page for homeschoolers:
It looks like they are open to suggestions for how their lesson plans can be tailored to small groups or homeschools.
I am hoping to address these ideas from both sides. I will be using some libertarian and conservative resources. I appreciate the link. Thank you.DS1 12 in 7th, DS2 10 in 4th
"The less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine. "
04-21-2012, 09:54 PM #18
04-21-2012, 10:03 PM #19
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I'm trying to figure out what "stay strong Susan" means. What is there to stay strong about??? It almost implies that even if I reply to her thread and point out the fallacies, that she should "stay strong" or hold on to her dogma in the face of facts. It's like saying: don't change your mind! I find it ironic that secularists, who have the brains and the open mindedness not to cling to a particular religion because of the lack of evidence, will then turn around and cling to a particular ideology.
04-22-2012, 08:00 AM #20
Failure to agree with your point of view does not mean someone is clinging to a particular ideology. It means they don't find your argument persuasive. Having an open mind does not equate believing any and all arguments are valid. Obviously, you don't feel Susan's reasons are enough to change your mind. But by accusing her and those who agree with her of clinging to a particular ideology is a logical fallacy that does not do your argument any favors.
Anyway, I thought this was a forum category about curriculum? I appreciate knowing when a resource is designed to have a particular philosophical point of view, and this thread has certainly enlightened me.