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    When a site that claims to be secular sends out an advertisement for a product, features a giveaway for a product, or features it prominently in advertising, I think that's very misleading. It's not an endorsement in the sense that you're not speaking to the quality, but is misleading in the extreme to buyers. Why should someone have to check if a product is religious if Secular Homeschool sends out ads for it? I mean, religious owned sites like Rainbow Resources and Cathy Duffy do a better job of alerting users if products are religious or secular.
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    Because of the ads and allowance for for non-secular products, I think that is why this site is not as popular as it once was. While a Facebook group is convenient, people will go where the most amount of information is available. It used to be here, but it has moved. I always wished we were stricter with what was allowed here. I like this group, but not having a strict policy on secular curriculum does put a challenge on the discussions and creates extra work for me to check it out.

    I think for many who signed the open letter, many were not a part of this group. There is value to these forums and I would like to see more people here, but I don't think it will happen unless this site take a firm stance on the secular issues.
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    Finding the religious banner ads was horrifying for me a couple months ago, and I just visit the forum part of the site, not other areas.

    If I had just discovered the site, and was looking for a secular haven, I would be very leery at a site promising secular, but apparently promoting xtian materials.

    I hang around because I like the regulars, and think its important to pass on the support I received when I was new to homeschooling, and thought Id have to compromise by buying something religious and fixing it.

    This trend, though, is discouraging. Because I dont do FB, I havent been around the SEA people, except for incidental overlap here. I dont really care who is pointing it out, because to me its a legitimate complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexsmom View Post

    This trend, though, is discouraging. Because I dont do FB, I havent been around the SEA people, except for incidental overlap here. I dont really care who is pointing it out, because to me its a legitimate complaint.
    Same here. Very anti-FB so would not be going on there just to find homeschool info. Also very anti-advertising/marketing, so I can't say I have even noticed any of this religious advertising as I am so used to not even looking at ads. However, it is just wrong to have religious ads on here. Not cool at all – what sort of totally inappropriate comment is that, that we should feel "blessed" that the site has been bestowed with money from the exact groups that people come here to avoid.

    So hopefully this site sorts it stuff out and stops this advertising if it is turning people away.
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    And I for sure feel like one of the original admin comments in response to this said something along the lines of "thanks for the feedback, it is valuable, I will pass it on". Then next time I can on there, that comment was gone and there was the "I think its cool comment". Now maybe I went a little cuckoo after reading on here late and night after working and totally imagined that original comment. But if it did change, it seems a little like adjusting the comment to cater to the advertisers, so who exactly are you here for, the secular homeschoolers who visit this site. Or the advertisers? And then it all just makes it stink of subversive and controlling religions trying to change how this site operates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aandwsmom View Post
    Paid advertisements do not mean that we endorse a product... in fact I think it's pretty cool that we've convinced religious organizations to pay to support a secular community
    This is a really weird statement. The first half of it: totally disingenuous. Second half: which part of it is cool? The part where you're tricking religious organizations to pay to advertise on a sight where no one is interested in their product? Or the part where you're ok with religious organizations trying to sneaky-sneak in some good ole Christian values into the secular community?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topsy View Post
    I would take with a grain of salt any "open letter" that one site sends to another site that they are competing for ad space with.
    I take their open letter a LOT more seriously than I take the previous admin statement that just because you accept advertising dollars doesn't mean you endorse the product. The ads aren't for trucks or jeans or Fitbits or Instant pots or other random consumer good. They are for a niche product in a niche community. THIS niche community. The niche community is going to assume you've vetted that niche product. It's a huge reason why anyone still comes here.

    Also, are you a member of the SEA facebook group? Because it's pretty lively, unlike here. The offer truly secular curriculum and a secular homeschool convention. I'm not sure you are really in competition with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissLemon View Post
    Also, are you a member of the SEA facebook group? Because it's pretty lively, unlike here. The offer truly secular curriculum and a secular homeschool convention. I'm not sure you are really in competition with them.
    I say this as someone who truly hopes this site gets cleansed of all its religious advertisers because I like the forum, and I would just be going to homeschool in isolation if this forum did not exist (I have been FB-free for 10 years and FB is about as bad as religions in my values system, so I will never be a SEA FB member). So I 100% agree with your comments about the admin statement here and the religious advertising, but I don't know how "truly secular" the curriculum SEA offers is either. I had a small browse on their site to see what was there, and they have a membership where you get access to Sequential Literacy. Now I don't 100% know what Sequential Literacy this is, but if you Google Sequential Literary, it comes up with a site that links it with Sequential Spelling. And if this is what they are offering, then I don't believe the company behind that is secular. We tried Sequential Spelling. It is not secular. I mean its a relatively simple spelling curriculum, so you could choose to ignore and edit. But if what you are after is a curriculum from a truly secular company, this is not it. It has a number of religious words in it, ones that you would not really use at all otherwise, and a number of their example sentences for the words are religious. For example, from the Level 3 book, "Expressed – The Protestants have expressed a different opinion", "Stressed – Our minister has always stressed reading the Bible daily", "Chess – I wonder if the apostles ever played chess". Then the word lists have a lot of words like "Eve" followed by "Eve's apple", "worship", "heavens". Honestly, it annoyed me so much we gave up on it pretty rapidly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZ_Mama View Post
    I say this as someone who truly hopes this site gets cleansed of all its religious advertisers because I like the forum, and I would just be going to homeschool in isolation if this forum did not exist (I have been FB-free for 10 years and FB is about as bad as religions in my values system, so I will never be a SEA FB member). So I 100% agree with your comments about the admin statement here and the religious advertising, but I don't know how "truly secular" the curriculum SEA offers is either. I had a small browse on their site to see what was there, and they have a membership where you get access to Sequential Literacy. Now I don't 100% know what Sequential Literacy this is, but if you Google Sequential Literary, it comes up with a site that links it with Sequential Spelling. And if this is what they are offering, then I don't believe the company behind that is secular. We tried Sequential Spelling. It is not secular. I mean its a relatively simple spelling curriculum, so you could choose to ignore and edit. But if what you are after is a curriculum from a truly secular company, this is not it. It has a number of religious words in it, ones that you would not really use at all otherwise, and a number of their example sentences for the words are religious. For example, from the Level 3 book, "Expressed – The Protestants have expressed a different opinion", "Stressed – Our minister has always stressed reading the Bible daily", "Chess – I wonder if the apostles ever played chess". Then the word lists have a lot of words like "Eve" followed by "Eve's apple", "worship", "heavens". Honestly, it annoyed me so much we gave up on it pretty rapidly.
    I don't use any of the Sequential products, so my understand is "I read it somewhere once...", sooooo...what I remember reading about Sequential Spelling is that the older versions did have religious references. Sequential Spelling was bought by someone else who has removed those references in the newer versions, much to the irritation of the original writer. I read this a few years back on the SEA facebook group and I kind of remember Blair Lee discussing the issue with the current owner of Sequential Spelling. It's been a few years so my recollection might be a bit off, but I'm pretty certain that Blair talked with the current owner about it.

    And I hear you about facebook. I am currently not a member of the SEA forum because I can't deal with the annual "I am a better parent that you because I do/do not tell my kids about Santa" argument that happens this time of year. I'll pick it back up again after the holidays are over, lol.

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    They may still sell the old books though? I only purchased the book we have in 2016. From a reseller, so not direct from them. But I had an issue with something in the book (non-religious, it was a spelling or grammar mistake in the book), and I contacted the company directly, and they said that they agreed it was in there and they would change it on the next reprint?
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